I just spoke to a gent this past week on this subject. This bullet would make the best choice for coyote-sized game, providing a touch more punch and less likelihood of breaking up before reaching vitals. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. The S.A.A.M.I. MV with a 20 grain bullet is 3000 fps and MV with a 25 grain bullet is 2600 fps. When it comes down to velocity, the .17 Rem. models. . To be completely upfront, Im not a Maserati man. Test: CCI A17 averaged 2642 fps for five rounds, which is only 8 fps slower than the factory-touted numberpretty remarkable. It has a three-lug action. My old pet load for my 17 BDL was with IMR 4320 with 25 Berger Match HP. Hornadys 20-grain Z-MAX is the same as the V-MAX in every way, except the polymer tip is Zombie green instead of Hornady red. The new rifle is built on an aluminum billet chassis with carbon-fiber forend and cheek riser featuring V-block bedding. The .17 caliber rimfire cartridges include the .17 M2, .17 HMR and .17 WSM. Absence of copper fouling in the Shilen barrel of the SSK Industries Contender and the barrels of the Cooper Model 21 and the Sako L46 indicated extremely smooth bores. High density is especially important when loading small-capacity cartridges. The Hornets velocities are about 500 fps slower than the Fireballs. The original powder charge was then poured back in, and the factory bullet was seated to the original overall cartridge length of 1.712 inches. Joe Kurtenbach and Caleb Giddings also look at the first-ever optics-ready carry revolvers with the new Taurus 605 and 856 T.O.R.O. I should have paid more attention to that OAL, as I seated these bullets .006-inch deeper, resulting in disappointing groups overall. Hodgdon CFE BLK powder is in the series of CopperFouling Eraser propellants. . The V-MAX bullets had an average velocity of 3,567 fps for 10 shots recorded 10 feet in front of the muzzle of the 21.90-inch barrel of a CZ 527 American. It fed cartridges measuring 1.750 inches just fine, but to avoid any feeding issues in the field, I reduced COL to 1.745 inches. 2 scale used in my tests detected no weight variation in charges of CFE BLK dispensed by the Redding measure, IMR 4198 varied by as much as 0.3 grain. The 527 has a single-set trigger with a pull of 3.5 pounds that contains some creep, but pushing the trigger forward sets it, and pull weight changes to a light one pound. Colt Model 1861 Special Musket: What's Its Value? All rights reserved. True enthusiasts tend to advise infrequent cleaning of rimfire versions simply to avoid potentially damaging the rifling (and because the rimfire versions just don't leave much fouling) and extreme care in cleaning centerfire versions. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. A 9.5-grain charge of LilGun shot five 20-grain Bergers in .78 inch at 100 yards. The next 10, not so much. We will continue to update this list as new rifles are reviewed and additional data becomes available. Nosler makes both a hollowpoint and a Tipped projectile in the Varmageddon line, while Hornady makes a 20-grain V-MAX, as well as a 25-grain V-MAX if you like a little heavier option. Whereas the Redding Model No. The camera rod of my Lyman borescope is too large in diameter for .17-caliber barrels, so for three of the test rifles I relied on cleaning patches wet with copper solvent to detect the presence of metal fouling. Zero the .17 Ackley Hornet with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max at 3,600 fps two inches high at 100 yards and it is two inches high at 200 yards and four inches low at 300. I also like using IMR8208 with the 25gr. I first became aware of his cartridge when reading a gun magazine article in the 1960s. The 17 Mach IV was designed by Vern O'Brien, Las Vegas, Nevada, in 1962. Despite their long leap through space, five of the 20-grain AccuTip-V bullets consistently landed inside an inch at 100 yards. of benchmark with a Rem 7.5 primer 70 and a sako vixen is: Rem case , cci bencrest pr., 21.2 gr. What load are you using with 8208 with the 20 grain VMax? This efficiency inspired some exceptional wildcat rounds, like the .20 VarTarg, and the .17 Remington Fireball (RFB) under discussion here. I have owned several rifles in 218 Bee through the years, the first being a Winchester Model 43. Ive been wrong before when predicting the cartridge-buying habits of small game hunters, but I hope Im not wrong about the .17 Hornady Hornet. I have had my best results with the 25 gr. It is based on a necked-down .223 Remington case and uses a .172 caliber bullet, making it an ideal choice for those looking for small-caliber performance with minimal recoil. I had enough primed cases left over for exactly four-shot strings, and one does not waste primers these days. The new-for-2023 lineup includes ultralight hunting stocks and a VGA 2-pound adjustable vertical-grip stock. | I later bought an OBrien rifle in .17 Mach IV, and after shooting it for about 10 years, I sold it to a collector. All are clean burning and temperature insensitive. Subscriber Services. Whereas CFE BLK proved to be an excellent choice for the two 17 Hornets, shot-to-shot velocity spread was quite high when it was asked to burn in the roomier case of the 17 Fireball. bullet will surprise you also. While seen at its best as a metallic silhouette cartridge, it will work on deer at relatively close ranges when loaded with the right bullet. I was shooting a custom Remington 40X in .220 Swift, and out to 300 yards my friend never failed to match me shot for shot. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. An overall cartridge length of 1.815 inches with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exceeds what the Ruger magazine is capable of handling, so those rounds had to be manually loaded directly into the chamber. Many primers have cups (the actual portion of the primer that the firing pin strikes) that are either too thin or too soft for the top loads in this cartridge. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. Perhaps you know someone who drives a Maserati, or a 1970s International pickup. I also wondered if this rifle just didnt like heavier slugs, so I decided to try some 25 grain Hornady V-MAX I had acquired after assembling initial loads in a component-shortage swap with a friend. Hornady dies were used to handload cartridges for the .17 Hornet. Joe Kurtenbach, Executive Editor of Gun & Ammo, and John Myles from Smith & Wesson discuss features of the Equalizer 9mm micro-compact pistol and new-for-2023 M&P 5.7. The .17 Hornet (left) looks like a larger version of the .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire (right). When using that primer in this cartridge, it is important to begin with a starting load and keep a close eye on fired primer condition while carefully working up. I have tried just about every bullet made. 6 Best .300 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, Remington .50-70 Rolling Block History: New York's Pick to Arm Its National Guard, .375 H&H Mag. Meet the all-new Taurus Judge Executive Grade, a revolver featuring a hand-polished satin finish, presentation-grade wood grips, a brass rod front sight and an exceptional hand-tuned trigger. Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.92", (TIE) CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 1.06", Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 1.08", (TIE) Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 1.13", (TIE) Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 1.16", Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 1.21", Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.25", Winchester 1885 Low Wall Hunter, .17 WSM - 1.25", Savage Model 93R17 Classic, .17 HMR - 1.31", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.44", Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.46", Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.54", Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 2.05", Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington), Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI), Savage B.MAG Target, .17 WSM - 0.75" (Winchester), Thompson/Center Contender G2, .17 HMR - 0.80" (Remington), Remington Model 597 LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.84" (CCI), Browning T-Bolt Target/Varmint, .17 HMR - 0.88" (Winchester), Anschutz Model 1717 D KL, .17 HMR - 0.93" (Remington), Weatherby Mark XXII, .17 HMR - 0.94" (Hornady), CZ Model 452-2E American, .17 HMR - 0.96" (CCI), Remington Model 504-T LS HB, .17 HMR - 0.98" (Federal), (TIE) Marlin Model 917VS ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.0" (Hornady), Anschutz Model 1502 D HB, .17 M2 - 1.06" (Hornady), Marlin Model 917VS ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.13" (Hornady), (TIE) Savage Model 93R17-BTVS, .17 HMR - 1.17" (CCI), (TIE) Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("A")*, .17 HMR - 1.25" (Hornady), Stevens Favorite Model 30R17, .17 HMR - 1.27" (Hornady & Remington - tie), (TIE)Henry Golden Boy, .17 HMR - 1.40" (Remington), Ruger M77/17VMBBZ ("B")*, .17 HMR - 1.47" (CCI), Winchester 1885 Low Wall, .17 HMR - 1.5" (Remington). All Rights Reserved. As a comparison, the extreme velocity spread was 108 fps for 10 shots of Hornadys Superformance Varmint 20-grain load. Shooting reloads may void any warranty on your firearm. Hornadys 15.5-grain NTX (Non-Traditional eXpanding) bullet is a polymer-tipped, lead-free (California legal) option allowing screaming velocity combined with dramatic terminal performance on small varmints. I have, however, owned and handloaded for the common .17s and the focus of this article will be the first, and in many ways, the finestthe .17 Remington. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! My most accurate loading/Rifle is a rare Remington 700 VSS with the factory 26" heavy stainless barrel. The spring-loaded micrometer head allows for precise bullet seating depth. The .17 Remington, on the other hand, is the darling of predator hunters protective over pelts. Velocities from pressure barrels are usually higher than velocities from off-the-shelf rifles, but in this case it was quite close at 3,836 fps. Ten grains gave 20-grain bullets a velocity of nearly 3,700 fps, which is all you can expect from such a small amount of powder. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. at 4,300 fps and is zeroed two inches high at 100 yards, it is dead on the money at 300 yards. At 100 yards there is still a healthy 3,389fps velocity and 638ft/lb striking energy that is more than enough for humane despatches. maximum overall cartridge length of 1.720 inches to ensure its compatibility with the magazines of rifles originally designed for the .22 Hornet. Simply run a case through the Ackley full-length resizer and it is ready to load. Possibly more germane, I was unable to clean the barrel as often as I would have liked during testing, my pull-through bore snake was too short to fish through the 26-inch barrel. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. Neither possessing the generalist appeal of the working class .223, nor the macho western appeal of the .22/250, the .17 caliber usually appeals to a different setthe specialists, such as fur hunters, the tinkerers, and the people who seek enjoyment off the beaten path. After shooting 80 Hornady loads one afternoon, I soaked the CZs bore with solvent for a day and then gave it a good scrubbing with a bronze brush. The Fireball, fed lighter bullets, is capable of velocities well in excess of 4,000 fps. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. [br] Other powders to consider are those in the same burn rate range. Patrick's top picks for loading the .17 Remington Fireball are Hodgdon's CFE BLK, Accurate's A-2200, Alliant's Reloder 10x and Western Powders' Ramshot X-Terminator. Hodgdons listing of 18.0 grains of CFE BLK as maximum for 30- and 35-grain bullets needs clarification. : 2.150" Powder: 24.1 gr 25.9 gr Vel. This bullet, seated to a 1.81-inch OAL, also started turning in better groups. by an Oregon gunsmith and was exactly right for this small cartridge. The round closely resembles the .17 Mach IV, created by wildcatter Vern OBrien in the 1960s. When a Redding Handgun/Small Rifle measure is set to throw 20.0 grains of CFE BLK, it throws 16.3 grains of IMR 4198. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. Accurate 2460 shot 20- and 25-grain bullets a good 250 fps faster than other powders loaded in the .17 Fireball, and with great accuracy. But he became best known for the development of wildcat and improved cartridges bearing his name. Small powder charges result in cleaner shooting than the .17 Remington though all .17-caliber cartridges require frequent barrel cleaning to assure continued accuracy. I was curious to see how Hornadys factory load would perform in my SSK Industries rifle. Pat Mundy Cases are available from Nosler and Normaand they are quite goodthough a bit more heavily constructed than the original Remingtonsso the handloader must take this into consideration and work up loads carefully if using data that was developed in Remington cases. Regardless, it was a foolish stunt. 8208 is now my go to powder for the 17 Schism Feb 22, 2017 #7 bobcat93 said: I'm getting 1 1/2" -1 I'm using my cz527 Accuracy of the two powders in my guns is about the same, but the new powder pushes 40- and 50-grain bullets faster at slightly lower chamber pressures. For years, the powder in the .17 Rem. Factory .223 Remington loads often provide good accuracy, but the cartridge is a great choice for handloaders who want to duplicate or even exceed factory ammunition ballistics. At 300 yards they dropped 5.50 inches. I prefer the 25-grain V-Max in the .17 Remington because it slices through wind a bit better than the 20-grain version, and it delivers more energy to boot. Even the report of most .17-caliber guns is mild, particularly that of rimfire versions. When charging cases, use care. When shooting ground squirrels and prairie dogs with a bolt-action rifle, I seldom use its magazine anyway. Give it a shot and see what youve been missing. This is in my opinion an exceptional load as it will not only make small groups but also makes a very good roe deer load and all that at a . I'm getting 3700fps (3/8" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 Classic and 3670fps (1/4" groups @ 100-yds) with the 700 BDL. I had expected chamber pressure and velocity of the factory load to be a bit lower in the improved chamber, and they were, but accuracy in my rifle was quite good. In todays guise, benefitting of more modern manufacturing methods, propellants, a better understanding of twist rates, and cleaning procedures and products, the .17 really shines within its niche. At those velocities, drift isnt as significant as some would lead you to believe, either. Hornady Load Data Using .17 Remington Bullets: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. On the faster burning end of the usable spectrum, and with lighter bullets powders like H322 can deliver astonishingly high velocity with excellent accuracy. Still, extreme velocity spreads ranged from 104 to 368 fps with IMR-4227, 142 fps with Reloder 7 and 162 fps with H-4198 shooting 20-grain bullets. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. They will easily break 4,200 fps and terminal results are spectacular, as one would expect. Use a Rem 7 1/2 primer. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. can also be quite accurate. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. Hodgdon Powder is the only current source of handloading data I could find for the new and old .17s. Camp Guns: Sometimes Perfect, Other Times Not But Often Essential! barm # 13676946 03/21/19. My speed obsession may also have worked against me, as the lightest loads in many cases resulted in the best groups (though these were still well above actual start loads). I have some 25 grain Calhoon .17 bullets that I have been saving for a while. His bullets are also exceptionalnot only accurate, but very effective terminally. My midway order just showed up with a box of the 20gr noslers and 25gr hornady hp. Today's favorites are the .17 HMR and the .17 Remington. Remember, the above accuracy results are averages with all brands of ammunition tested. A form die set is required if .221 Fireball cases are used, but those lucky enough to find Remington .17 Fireball brass can simply run them through a .17 Mach IV full-length sizing die, add primer, powder and bullet, and head for the varmint fields. Yet the little pills zipped downrange from .17-caliber rifles shoot with lazer-like flatness and produce surprisingly impressive results on small game and predators. The .17 Fireball includes such mild recoil that the shooter gets to watch all the action through the scope. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. Remington factory ammo measures 1.810 inches in length and due to a fairly long chamber throat in the test rifle, the bullet is required to free-travel 0.183 inch prior to engaging the rifling. There are others, such as the excellent, mild-mannered .17 Mach 2, the accurate but short-lived .17 Remington Fireball and so on, but the cartridges detailed above are the main players on the current seventeen scene. We have found the accuracy potential of all three cartridges to be excellent and essentially the same. After firing the factory loads, case lengths had stretched to 1.343 inches. The load was too much for F-Class. Robust, accurate and without expense-increasing frills, the XT-17 comes with a 22-inch barrel in your choice of stainless or blued, with walnut or synthetic stock. A case in point is Hornadys new .17 Hornet with roots back to the beginning of .17-caliber cartridges in the years following World War II. . And while the burn rate of CFE BLK is too quick for the 17 Remington, Hodgdon recommends it for the smaller cartridge. The TaurusTX 22 Compact delivers class-leading reliability, capacity, and shootability in a 22 LR platform, and it's cut for a slide-mounted mini red dot. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. With the 65, I recommend 47.5 grains of Varget or 47.5 grains of IMR 4064. Copyright 2005, 2017 by ChuckHawks.com. The 17 Hornet was given a S.A.A.M.I. He did try some CFE 223 and was very happy with it. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Load data for caliber ".17 Rem." The .17 Remington is a short-length cartridge developed by the Remington Arms Company in 1971. A lot of trouble for sure, but it satisfied my curiosity. Like those bullets, the Sierra 40- and 45-grain Hornets expand on varmints quite nicely, but since they do not have flat noses, no more than one should be loaded in the tubular magazine of a lever-action rifle. Chris Johnson, FN Senior Product Manager, walks us through two new FN striker-fired pistols at SHOT Show 2023: the FN 510 Tactical, chambered in 10mm Auto, and the FN 545 Tactical, chambered in .45 ACP. .17 rimfire rifles are normally tested with a good quality telescopic sight set at a magnification of nine power or higher. Taking a bit more time at the loading bench can avoid a problem later at the range. However, maximum powder charges for the .17 Ackley are 0.2 to 0.7 grain heavier than for the .17 Hornady. Precision Redding full-length Type S Match Dies with .195-inch titanium nitride sizing bushing and micro-adjustable seating-die head were used. The factory ammo was and is very accurate ammo, this load may possible be Remington's recipe. |
The Hodgdons 2012 Annual Manual and the Hodgdon website list about the same maximum loads for the .17 Ackley Hornet and .17 Hornet with some powders. Ackley describes the .17 Hornet as sort of an improved .22 Hornet necked down to .17 caliber. Moving to bigger cartridges, when the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exits the .17 Rem. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. The most consistent powder with this bullet proved to be A-2200, producing .52- and .46-inch groups at 4,145 and 4,226 fps with 18 and 18.5 grains of powder, respectively. .17 WSM ammunition includes Winchester Elite with 20 and 25 grain tipped bullets, Hornady with a 20 grain V-MAX tipped bullet and Federal American Eagle brand with a 20 grain tipped bullet. The rifle weighs right at 7 pounds with a Turkish walnut stock and a Burris 10x scope. Bullet jump was then extended in 0.005-inch increments until the sweet spot was found. This load shoots in all the .17 Remington's I've owned; at about 4040 fps', the advertised Remington velocity. Using 17.5 grains of Reloder 10x produced a .21-inch group at 3,787 fps. In Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders, Volume II (1966), Ackley writes about himself: The author may or may not have been the originator of the .17 caliber in this country. He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. OBrien also offered custom XP-100 pistols chambered for his cartridge, and the barrels were marked .17 Mach III to indicate lower velocity in the shorter barrel. Ackley created his first .17 caliber wildcat by necking down the .30 Carbine case. I have attempted to chamber Remington ammo in two .17 Mach IV rifles. The factory 20-grain loads were accurate and had a velocity of 3,567 fps when shot from a CZ 527 American. Determined to include a Berger 30-grain load in this report, I asked my friends at Hodgdon to shoot it in their 24-inch pressure barrel. Formed by necking up the .223 Rem. Although overall cartridge length is restricted to about 1.950 inches, there is still more than enough room to seat bullets close to the rifling should doing so be necessary or desired. The .17 Hornet (right) is quite a bit smaller and burns about three-quarters as much powder as the .17 Remington Fireball (left). Having the tools, it was decided to make a few barrels. If you can find either the older Berger 25-grain Target HP (smaller nose opening) or the Hornady HP, youll be in business. Chances are, if theyre a shooter, they have a .17-caliber rifle tucked away someplace. Reloder 7 did its best with a maximum load of 16.5 grains; .53 inch at 4,039. Smooth flow is also convenient to those who load on a single-stage press as it allows powder charges to be dispensed by a measure as opposed to the slower method of weighing each charge. The first one was chambered for the so-called .17 Pee Wee, which was simply the .30 Carbine cartridge necked down to .17, and the first rifle was built . To barely bump back the shoulders of cases and set headspace on the shoulders, I turned the size die up a partial turn from contacting the shellholder. If the owner of that first rifle in 17 Ackley Hornet were still here, he would likely be tickled to see a load with his favorite powder slightly better the accuracy of CFE BLK. Hodgdons Ron Reiber was the first to try CFE BLK in the field. A couple thousand of these discontinued bullets were acquired at a substantial savings after the Zombie craze subsided. 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